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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2014 at 4:49pm

Prashant,

I am a huge fan of Roger, as everyone knows. Roger is an authenticator, though. He's not the keeper of secret provenance. If he was given the provenance, he may not be able to release it, but the seller should if they say it's from an insider. 

For instance, The Memorabilia Vault represents the signed Michael Jackson drawings they sell as being from someone close to Michael Jackson, but they won't say who that is. That makes me think there's something rotten in Denmark. I would never consider buying one of those items without knowing who the insider is.

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Permalink Reply by Prashant Kaushik on December 8, 2014 at 4:53pm

In no way was I saying Roger is 'hiding something ' or keeping a secret.  I am very confident in the Memorabilia Vault and their authentication/documentation process.  Yes they know who the insider is but the provider of these drawings wishes not to be revealed.  I think we can all respect that.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2014 at 5:18pm

I have nothing against Memorabilia Vault, but that's the same kind of thing you hear from forgery sellers. If they can't identify the insider, don't say it's from one.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2014 at 4:57pm

Another thing to keep in mind:

A good artist doesn't draw like an amateur when he does a quick sketch. It's just less detailed or may show signs of not being drawn on an ideal or rock-steady surface.

Picasso's sketches on restaurant checks are a prime example of that.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Iam on December 8, 2014 at 5:02pm

I have to disagree a little here sorry Steve
I know quite a few excellent artists who do outstanding work when they want and some pretty crappy stuff when the aren't in the mood lol

Permalink Reply by AJ Jones on December 8, 2014 at 6:01pm

I agree with you Steve 110% on this.....especially when it comes to MJ!

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2014 at 6:08pm

Sam Iam,

I agree with you to a degree if the artist isn't in the mood, but I think we can assume that MJ wasn't forced to draw hundreds of drawings just to shut fans up. And certainly not an "insider."

Permalink Reply by Sam Iam on December 8, 2014 at 5:01pm

Roger is pretty adamant the ones he certed are real and stands by them
I feel like he's getting thrown under the bus a little here and having his reputation a bit tarnished. IMO

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2014 at 5:23pm

Not in the least. I'm talking about the seller not identifying the insider.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Iam on December 8, 2014 at 5:40pm

But if the autograph is real the insider doesn't matter right?
And roger stands by these as being authentic

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Permalink Reply by AJ Jones on December 8, 2014 at 6:04pm

So are we supposed to just go with it because Roger says so???  Roger is great....but no one is perfect. I think any real collector will understand that no TPA can be 100% Exact 100% of the time. If anything he may find it helpful to discover this new info when it comes to MJ and the influx of new items on the market.  The autograph being "Real" is subjective and being that there are people on this forum that disagree....all evidence should come into play and be subjected to scrutiny.  Does'nt every forger...even the good ones, claim that the signatures are real?  

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Permalink Reply by Sam Iam on December 8, 2014 at 6:32pm

Haha I have never dealt with Epperson before I've only read about his reputation on here, mostly from Steve and wascher so they must be on to something to disagree with him since they are his biggest cheerleaders
It's just whenever anyone asks about an MJ auto on here everyone says if Roger says it's good it's good

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