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Picasso SIG - any chance it is real?

Seems a little too simple for Picasso to sign a blank page but who knows? Any opinions are appreciated. Thank you.

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Permalink Reply by Jim McFiver on May 12, 2020 at 8:40pm

It was probably clipped from something.

I'm only casually familiar with his signature; I'd continue to research this & get other opinions on its legitimacy.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 13, 2020 at 8:16am

Thank you, Jim McFiver. It appears to be on an album page or something similar. I did not see many plain signatures on small pieces of paper in my research online. Appreciate you sharing your comments.

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Permalink Reply by rob kunne on May 13, 2020 at 2:08am

i have seen many of his autographs on his paintings and the one you posted looks similar ''so who knows?''

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 13, 2020 at 8:19am

Thank you, rob kunne. I wish this was on a painting or sketch but would be happy if the signature alone was authentic. Most of the signature looks good to me but the top part of the "P" and where the underline begins and ends seemed different from other examples I found online. Appreciate you sharing your feedback. Still hoping for the best.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 20, 2020 at 6:51pm

Thank you for your previous comments Jim McFiver and rob kunne. I have continued to look at exemplars of Picasso signatures. The below signature is from the R&R Auction archives. I have seen several signatures that look very similar to my original post, especially the "i", "cas" and "so" components. However, the top of the "P" in my original post seems to be more "bottom heavy" than other examples which tend to be more "top heavy".

Any additional comments or opinions are appreciated.

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Permalink Reply by Jim McFiver on May 20, 2020 at 8:37pm

R&R is a good reference site so you're on the right track. The legitimate ones will always have great examples of these artists, musicians, etc., so continue your research.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 20, 2020 at 8:45pm

I know R&R has a solid reputation and provides an easy to search archive. I also look for signature studies from experts and reputable sources. However, I am still learning to differentiate between normal variances and subtle "tells". I really appreciate the members of this forum like you that take the time to help others like me learn. Thanks again Jim.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 1, 2021 at 7:19am

I am still on the fence regarding the authenticity of my OP. Below is another exemplar from RR Auction which looks similar. In comparing my OP with likely authentic signatures, my two primary concerns are the "roundness" of the top of the "P" and the underline touching the bottom of the letters. Otherwise, the flow, spacing, and shape of the signatures seems very similar. Also, although I have not seen many signatures on what appears to be an album page, I have seen some including one of the RR Auction examples provided. Any comments are appreciated.

RR Auction

Three Signature Comparison

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 30, 2021 at 2:30pm

bump - I stole the overlapping signature comparison technique from other members but was pleased with what I created. Hope this gives everyone a chance to share an opinion even if they do not know Picasso's signature.

As previously noted, the top of the "P" seems too round and underline stroke seems to start further to the left, be too high into the signature and have more pressure on the two ends versus the middle. The "i" may also be too short while the "casso" seems pretty close.

This signature is different than how he signed all of the original Picasso paintings, etchings, prints, pottery and personal letters in my collection (kidding - I have zero other Picasso's). Appreciate any additional comments or opinions.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on May 30, 2021 at 2:35pm

OP appears atypical in the comparison. More known exemplars needed.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on May 30, 2021 at 2:44pm

Thank you as always EKL. I will continue to compare to likely authentic exemplars but most I have found look very different from OP and the two other exemplars shown for comparison. The fact I have found few signatures on slips of paper or album pages makes me have even more doubt (as you have questioned in some of my previous posts). I will continue to search, hope and learn. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and observations.