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Permalink Reply by AdamJ on January 7, 2022 at 3:20am

Back in stock on Amazon marketplace @ $595.99 (US only):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593577922/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_t... 

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Permalink Reply by JMS1223 on January 7, 2022 at 5:14am

What online outlet do you believe ended up being the best place to order this book? I am asking because next time there is a signed book like this I want to order it in advance online (instead of waiting outside the bookstore first thing in the morning out in the cold) and just have it delivered to my door, but I want to order it from the place where people had the best experience and was most reliable in actually getting it and getting it on time. 

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Permalink Reply by Quadropheniac on January 7, 2022 at 7:47am

I think that's an optimistic view on this.  For the prior Obama deluxe signed book-I ordered from Target and they canceled almost everyone. This time they shipped most and canceled some.  BAM and Amazon reduced quantities or canceled some orders on Renegades. But then BAM got their 2nd allotment.  Same for Barnes and Noble.  There isn't a really consistent pattern to go off of when buying on a limited item like this. Your best bet would be to have orders with 2-3 places.  If you put all your eggs in one basket and it cancels-you may be out of luck and you'll end up buying on the secondary market or missing out.

If you order from multiple places-your worst-case scenario is you end up with multiple copies and have to process a return or resell an extra.  That's where I'm at now.  I needed 2 copies.  I ordered 6 and got 3. So I have a spare Renegades I will likely sell off at cost.  But at least I got mine. When I ordered from one place for the Obama-A Promised Land signed version and got shut out when it canceled, I was SOL.

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Permalink Reply by JMS1223 on January 7, 2022 at 9:58am

Thanks. 

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Permalink Reply by Martin Peters on January 7, 2022 at 10:50am

Only 4 left.

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Permalink Reply by Drogenbaron on January 7, 2022 at 1:21pm

Good question. I don't really know.

One possible explanation is that Renegades just came out and many people are trying to resell their copy instantly. So there are a few copies on the market right now and people are underbidding each other.

Besides, even the normal price is very high, and this is not a piece that even more passionate collectors will "just grab".

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Permalink Reply by JMS1223 on January 7, 2022 at 2:42pm

Speaking of flooding the market, I am wondering how many copies of Renegades were signed and how many copies of A Promised Land were signed. When the second part of a Promised Land deluxe edition comes out will those be less limited or the same amount as A Promised Land? 

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on January 7, 2022 at 11:04pm

Promised Land seemed to sell out quicker and a little harder to get, but maybe that was just me. Seemed like they sold a ton of Renegades... although i guess a lot didn't actually ship... but even just the ones from Barnes and Noble alone would have been quite a bit if all the stores got 1-3 copies or whatever it was and many other retailers got multiple copies. 

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Permalink Reply by JMS1223 on January 8, 2022 at 5:38am

What’s funny is when I bought A Promised Land our Barnes & Noble got 3 copies. When I bought Renegades at the same Barnes & Noble they only got 1 copy. 

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Permalink Reply by Jor-El on January 7, 2022 at 2:46pm

Distribution on this seems to have been really uneven. If you have access to a US bookstore who got copies you're solid, but otherwise it's difficult. I have had online orders from several US retailers cancelled. My local (EU) bookstore just informed me that the publisher will not be fulfilling the orders here either. Some bookstores might get some copies through a US intermediary, but probably a lot of orders are getting cancelled. 

B&N seems to have had plenty and even at half price for a couple of days, but they offered them only in stores. I've seen people post pictures of stacks of 10 books for sale. So I'm not surprised the prices are this low on eBay. The people who bought it to keep are not selling for a $100 profit, the people who bought stacks are looking for a quick turnaround with a little easy money as profit.

Just wait a couple of months/ a year until more copies are in the hands of actual fans and collectors wordwide and we'll see how the value develops.

As far as content matter goes I think A Promised Land was far more popular, so it stands to reason a Deluxe Edition holds more value just because of the content alone.

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Permalink Reply by Drogenbaron on January 8, 2022 at 2:46pm

Sorry to hear you don't get your copy from the EU bookstore :(

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on January 7, 2022 at 2:59pm

Here's my take on this.  I'm definitely do not speak for everyone on this. Its just my opinion... I have some free time today so why not.. bear with me.

1st, I honestly think resellers are catching up to collectors in this hobby. The people who end up with 20 or more of one item for flipping, creates an atmosphere where items become even more limited. A lot of people in this hobby are getting accustomed to purchasing on the secondary market to get items they want.. when just a few days before, it was an item they didnt even know existed.. these forums mess with your mind.. if you are in different Facebook groups, ive noticed a type of brainwashing happening to me.. Seeing all these autographed items, people constantly posting what they buy or what they want.. I had to turn off Facebook groups because I could feel myself morphing into a different type of collector.

I started out TTM sending letters when stamps were 25 cents each. Before autograph websites became huge.. I paid for a list of celebrity addresses and spent about $50 a month in stamps at my peak. Back then, I had to be picky with who I sent to. You never really knew who would respond. I'd forget about them. Seeing those manilla envelopes in my mailbox was such an exciting experience... it was probably the best time I've ever had in this hobby.. why did I stop??? Increase price of postage and materials, the amount of secretarial and autopens you get back.. it seems to take much more planing now. Knowledge seems to complicate things.  Purchasing these books, vinyls and cds are pretty much a guarantee for autographs on a different level.. ones you could never get TTM.. its also instant satisfaction.

My point is, the more money I spend on these, the more I saw myself caring about value. I started going after autographs based on what the secondary market dictated to be a valuable autograph. Ive had to ask myself a few simple questions, multiple times, to get myself back in the correct head space for this hobby.. what am I doing this for? How will I feel about this autograph in 5 years. And What is my long term goal? I do not want to be a reseller. So if I wont resell, why do I want an autograph of someone who was never on my radar to begin with? Its pretty basic stuff to most people but I think a lot of collectors today are just way too caught up in the hype of things and forget this.

For this autograph in particular, im not a big fan of either so it was an instant pass.. from what I've learned about President autographs and Obama age, there will be plenty more opportunities for his autograph as he gets older. The market could possibly become flooded like Jimmy Carter. Obama alone at $500 is risky as an investment but it depends on the item he signed. I know there are a lot of political collectors who will pass on this because its not 100% a political item. I dont know much about Springsteen but I do know when a book is marked up from $50 to $500 because of an autograph. Its no longer considered retail. To me, the markup dictates the secondary market already. This book appeals to a certain type of collector who has money to spend. 

The shock value of the names connected to this book created a huge buzz. People bought from multiple sources in case of cancelations. Collectors ended up with possibly 4 or 5 of these in some cases. Now you have the normal resellers trying to unload these on top of regular collectors who had to become resellers because they ended up with too many. For another slap in the face, some were able to get this book for $250 during the holiday sale. The market is FOR SURE flooded right now. Its going to take a while, especially at these prices, for this item to pay off as an investment. And you better hold on to your receipts because ebay reports all revenue to the IRS after $600 starting this year. This is the low point. Its a special item but at this point, there's no guarantee it will become a good investment anytime soon. The ones who were able to unload this early for $800 were very lucky. 

All said, wait out the flood, it will take a while but this will at least hold its value.

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