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Beatles-Signed Abbey Road Albums: What's Real? What's Fake?

Sometimes you just have enough. Brian Waring, a collector from Colorado, was one such fellow. He tried to sell a Beatles-signed Abbey Road and a Stones-signed Sticky Fingers album on eBay, but his listings were kicked-off because they thought they were forgeries. He was sure eBay was wrong—he paid tens of thousands of dollars for them from American Royal Arts, who claimed to be the world's largest seller of signed rock and roll. James Spence Authentication was at a local show, so he asked them to authenticate the albums to prove to eBay they were genuine.

When Brian came back to pick up his albums with JSA COAs, JSA sat him down and gave him the bad news—they were sure neither one was real.

Brian was shocked. ARA was a big, respectable-looking company, and the albums came with authentication papers from Christopher Morales, a court-approved forensic document examiner. But soon he realized JSA was right, so he contacted ARA, sure they would honor their guarantee of authenticity.

All he got was the runaround. So Brian told his story on Autograph Magazine Live! a few weeks ago, to warn other collectors, and, he hoped, get ARA president Jerry Gladstone's attention.

Brian got more than the attention of Gladstone and other collectors. He got a call from the FBI. And it wasn't until he started blogging about it that Gladstone seemed to take honoring ARA's guarantee seriously.

Brian took his blog posts down yesterday, because a refund from ARA seems to be forthcoming. He feels like he's done his part. I agree. Autograph is investigating the FBI's communications in the industry further and will report on them soon. But this is a great opportunity to talk about Beatles-signed Abbey Road albums, and a bit about signed Beatles albums in general.

Abbey Road is one of the favorite Beatles albums of all time. And like all Beatles albums besides Please Please Me and With the Beatles, complete band-signed albums are extremely rare: Only two known examples are recognized as genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

Lizzie Bravo got one of them signed. An "Apple Scruff"—one of the storied girls who were the ultimate Beatles fans—Lizzie was a 15 year old Brazilian teenager who moved to London with her family in 1967 and spent every free moment in front of Abbey Road Studios and more to be as close as she could to the boys she loved. "They Came in Through the Bathroom Window" was inspired by one of the Apple Scruffs, who entered Paul's house through an open window to see him.

But Lizzie was invited into Abbie Road Studios at least once. The Beatles needed girl back-up singers while recording "Across the Universe" in 1967. Paul didn't want to wait for professionals, so he went to the Scruffs waiting outside and asked if anyone could sing. Lizzie said yes...and the rest is history.

Cathy Sarver got the other one signed. Cathy was an American girl who hightailed it to London to meet the Beatles once out of high school. Both got them signed only by hanging out, relentlessly, outside Abbey Road Studios. Well, usually outside.

Abbey Road was released in September 1969, but the photos I have of Lizzie and Cathy are earlier.

Two 1967 photos of Lizzie with John Lennon:


Here's Cathy with each of the Beatles in 1968:






Lizzie and Cathy were in England when Abbey Road came out, so they bought the English release of the album. The English version had a slick, lacquered cover that you had to dig into to sign, so the autographs on both of them are rougher than they would be on American release albums, which had cheaper, lightly coated covers.


I don't have Lizzie's entire album, only the signatures:


John Lennon and Paul McCartney's autographs


George Harrison's autograph


Ringo Starr's autograph


Here's Cathy Sarver's Abbey Road album, signed by the entire band:


The stain in the lower left corner by George Harrison's autograph is from Cathy's cat peeing on it.

The Abbey Road albums above are the only ones called genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

But like all Beatles albums, that doesn't stop people from selling Abbey Road albums they claim are signed by the Beatles—experts be damned. Some of the most common ones that are not considered genuine are the ones known as Southern California forgeries, because that's where they appear to originate from. Most are fairly easy for experts to identify by the characteristics of the signatures. And the signature characteristics generally don't change much or at all with the age of the albums, whereas Beatles autographs changed significantly over time. Of course, an album can be signed years later than its release, or one autograph at a time over a decade or more. But when signed albums come out through the same sources, sold by the same dealers, with similar autographs, whether they're 1963 or 1970 releases, you have to ask...what the heck is going on?

One of the more common and easiest to detect characteristics of the ones called Southern California forgeries can be found in John Lennon's autograph. John Lennon didn't start drawing his smiling face caricature until about 1971, but many of the Southern California examples have it, often with the inscription "With love" or "With love from." But if you're not a pro, don't try to authenticate Beatles or any expensive autographs yourself. It's worth the money to have them checked out by a respected music authenticator.

This is the Abbey Road album that Brian Waring bought from American Royal Arts, stereotypical of what's considered to be a Southern California forgery:



These are the seven very similar
Abbey Road albums that we know American Royal Arts offered from 2006 to 2009, all with the classic characteristics of what are thought to be Southern California forgeries. There likely are others we haven't seen:





We've identified the person who purchased this forged Abbey Road album from American Royal Arts. He's currently trying to get a refund on about $80,000 or more in what he has found to be fake memorabilia from ARA. Not just autographs, but posters as well.




The one right above was featured in an ad that American Royal Arts ran in Newsday in 2008, with the headlines:

HISTORIC BEATLES COLLECTION RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC!
Over 40 Years to Assemble—Can be Yours Today!


Here's a close-up of the Abbey Road album featured:


American Royal Arts customers who ask are generally told that ARA's classic rock autographs come from "record industry insiders who wish to remain confidential." If I sold ARA these autographs, I would, too.

But Gladstone fails to tell collectors what he told me two years ago. I confronted him with an image of a Beatles-signed Help lobby card from Forever Legends' Web site that was on page one of his catalog a few months later. He called me to explain that he couldn't get enough autographs from his "industry insiders," so he had to buy from dealers, too. Unfortunately, the three main dealers he bought classic rock autographs from are known as notorious sellers of forgeries:

  • Forever Legends www.foreverlegends.com: Owned by Maria Brockway
  • Heroes and Legends www.heroesandlegends.net: Owned by Myron Ross, who we kicked out as an advertiser in Autograph magazine and was later expelled from the UACC Registered Dealer program for selling forgeries.
  • Autograph Central www.autographcentral.net: Owned by Bryan Slaven, who was also expelled from the UACC for selling forgeries. We kicked them out of the magazine when we realized they were a problem, but unfortunately we didn't know until later that Slavin was booted from the UACC years before.

Gladstone told me over a year later in a three-way phone call last summer with another dealer that he had stopped buying from Forever Legends because he realized I was right—their autographs couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that ARA informed and issued refunds to their customers who bought the music and vintage Hollywood autographs that Gladstone bought from Forever Legends. At least the owner of the "Beatles-signed" Help lobby card hadn't been last I heard.

I'd be surprised if any of ARA's autographs came from so-called industry insiders. ARA sold Beatles albums for about $12,000 to $25,000, virtually all US releases that I know of. There are only about a dozen band-signed US label Beatles albums known, and they'd be easy to sell for $80,000 to $100,000 or more. As would many of the 20 or so UK release band-signed Beatles albums from Hard Day's Night on. (Please Please Me and With the Beatles are more common. There are perhaps 50-75 of the former known, and 15-20 of the latter). This doesn't mean that's all the signed Beatles albums that exist. These are all that are known that Beatles experts believe are genuine. While it rarely happens, every now and then a new band-signed Beatles album is discovered, and that's likely to continue well into the future.

It makes you wonder:

  • Why would people sell their autographed albums for such cheap prices to ARA or their suppliers, when with a few calls or emails they could find out what they're worth?
  • Why would the dealers Gladstone admitted he bought from sell them so cheap if they thought they were genuine? They know the market.
  • If Gladstone really thought the albums he offered were genuine, why would he sell them for cents on the dollar and pay expensive overhead, sales and marketing costs when he could put them in auction or sell them to dealers for many times more?
  • And why would he tell people he bought from record industry insiders and only admit to me that he bought from dealers once we called him on it? Why didn't he tell the truth?

If you've bought signed albums from American Royal Arts, or any dealer operating similarly, these are questions I would ask.

They're not alone. Here's a signed Abbey Road album on the Web site of Rock Star Gallery, with the same signing characteristics of all the ones that ARA has:


And here's a "Beatles-signed" Please Please Me album from Rock Star Gallery, which came out in 1963, with the same signature characteristics. It was only a UK release, so I don't know why the signatures look so good, since it came with a lacquered cover like UK Abbey Road albums. Perhaps the cover was treated so the ink would stick better or it's the pens they used:



But these aren't the only two dealers with similar autographs. Here's a White Album currently listed at Rockin Gems for only $4,995. I found more that looked similar on other sites, but they were too small to tell for sure:

There's only one known genuine White Album. It's worth over $100,000 and this isn't it.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Whether you're looking to buy a signed Beatles album or bought one; whether it's an Abbey Road or any other Beatles album; unless you know for a fact the album is genuine, please learn from this and take heed. Make sure what you're considering buying is genuine. Make sure what you own is too. That's what experts are for.

If you'd like input, advice, or you know you've been stung, email me and I'll be happy to help. And no, I don't have any signed Beatles albums for sale. I don't even sell rock and roll.

Update: We just found another Beatles-signed Abbey Road album from ARA with the same characteristics, but no Lennon caricature. That's nine total with Brian's. Here it is:




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Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 3, 2010 at 5:41pm
Alex,

I'm not an authentication expert, but they look good to me. The Ringo looks like it has run since it was photographed for the COA, which is strange. I couldn't find these on eBay--were they online a while ago?

I don't pretend to know enough to be able to tell a great forgery from a real one. But I am good enough to tell most of the forgeries sold--they're that easy to tell. But from what I've seen and what you've said, I don't think you know any more than I do, Alex. For whatever purpose, it just seems like you want to destroy the respected Beatles authenticators and dealers. I don't know if you're jealous or what, but all you're doing is helping the sellers of forgeries.

Steve
Comment by mark peterson on August 3, 2010 at 7:42pm
It looks suspicious for sure.
Comment by Thorsten Knublauch on August 4, 2010 at 6:25am
hi - the three COX COA signatures - I would rate Paul and George defenit. a fake. Ringo looks ok but is worthless. The full name Ringo from Louie is a fake.
thorsten
Comment by A.B. on August 6, 2010 at 10:41am
@jimme
I would not buy them. They look strange.
But I am no expert...
Cheers
Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 7, 2010 at 7:32pm
Rik,

You never will see a Hofner signed by all the Beatles—at least a genuine one. This one was originally sold by Mitch Menaker, the ex-husband of Toby Stoffa, who owns Antiquities. Mitch owned a number of galleries, including Starabilias, with stores in Downtown Disney and Downtown Disney World. Like almost all of these galleries, they used many of the same suppliers as ARA. The poor guy who owns this guitar depended on it being real when he bought it, of course, and has since had to file for bankruptcy. Starmarks is offering it now, along with tons of other forgeries, mostly all authenticated by Chris Morales--this one is also authenticated by Don Frangipani.

Sad
Comment by CJCollector on August 8, 2010 at 5:32am
You're right, Steve, very sad. "Authenticated" by Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like " Morales and Frangipani. Sad and pathetic.
Comment by Adam Biros on August 8, 2010 at 7:23am
What about this item? Can you please tell me if it is real or not? What do you think, Steve?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Traveling-Wilburys-Record-AUTOGRAPHED-ALL-MEMBE...
Take a look at George's signature, please.
Comment by Alexander Mehl on August 8, 2010 at 9:53am
To Steve and little Epperson,
"I don't think you know any more than I do, Alex. - I don't know if you're jealous or what, but all you're doing is helping the sellers of forgeries."
That's really not the question, Steve who knows more or less.
Why should I be jealous? Please give me only one reason - only one!
It's the first time in my life that anyone claims being jealous.
Please give me an understandable declaration in which way I support sellers of fogeries!
It's really not my problem but possibly yours in the US that most of the reliable dealers and authenticators offered, sold and authenticated faked autographs of The Beatles. That's a fact observing the US market in the last 10 years.
What's the difference between a seller of forgeries who sells only fakes and a wellknown and reliable dealer who sells genuine and faked autographs? None!
All forgers see what happens on this market and why should they reduce or quit knowing that the others "trustful" dealers do the same?
Why should such dealers be protected offering fakes even knowing it? For example a dealer and authenticator near Phoenix, AZ answered "oh sorry, my wife bought it...!" Did he made his homeworks? No!
Or another one "i will look at them again as i only quickly looked at these as i was not paid for my services only as of my quick opinion." Is such a statement correct? Or is a quick opinion worthless?

Maybe you all heard once of the famous Dr. Music - Rainer Rohbeck - who sold in the 80's and 90's in private auctions thousands of faked autographs and made more than a million $. He started with genuine autographs of Beatles, Stones, Hendrix and nearly all stars of the 60's and 70's and saw how stupid people are and then he started a new career. He's retired, lives in Mallorca/Spain and many years ago he refused any hearings with the police.
Such business I see in the US as well.

To Adam Biro,
the sigs especially Harrison are fakes - if interested!
Comment by Alexander Mehl on August 8, 2010 at 2:27pm
To Rik Gratton,
re: Starmarks offers such a garbage it's unbelievable:
http://www.starmarks.net/beatles-c-21_714.html

To Adam Biro,
here's the Traveling Wilburys "signed" LP you asked for:

Comment by donc on August 10, 2010 at 7:06am
I spent the better part of the afternoon yesterday, Aug 10th, and Paul did not sign anything on the street. He did sign a Red Wings jersey on stage Sunday night. I did manage to get Abe's autograph. That's the best I could hope for. It's pretty sad that Paul has to spend the better part of a day and a half stuck inside a hotel room. There weren't many people waiting outside in the early part of the afternoon. We were all very respectiful of Abe when he came out. This isn't sour grapes I know he has better things to do than sign autographs, but it seems that the autograph hunters are the only ones getting autographs and the fans have to go the second market to buy them. I bought one through Tracks earlier this year and I'm thrilled with it, but it would have been nice to meet him for a brief moment.

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