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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
Media Publications who may be eager to pick up this story - Please email them a link to this post and all related content
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/corp/contactus.html
For story pitches, please send:
News to Jim Milliot and John Maher
Soapbox ideas to Rachel Deahl
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Jason H and InkInvestor,
This should have occurred to me earlier: Have either of you contacted Jeff Gold, the owner of Record Mecca? Jeff is the worlds leading expert on Bob Dylan writing and memorabilia. Jeff is the one who discovered the Peter McKenzie Bob Dylan forgeries. If you’re not familiar, Dylan stayed at McKenzies’ family’s home for a while when he was in his late teens. In the mid 2000s, McKenzie sold material on eBay that he claimed Dylan wrote when he lived there. Jeff bought some, became suspicious, and hired a forensic document examiner who determined that they were forgeries.
RecordMecca.com
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Permalink Reply by Nichole on
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Ohhhh great idea. I’ve talked to him about my stuff.
im mad I didn’t think of that idea.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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I received a reply but being curtious and waiting for approval to quote him on here directly and also a follow-up question. No major breaks though. Its pretty much what I thought. Dylan is an erratic signer with changing styles over the years. No direct comment for his slanted style but he does not believe Dylan would use secretarial signatures.
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I should have mentioned Jeff right away. Somehow I forgot!
Everyone: If you haven't been to Jeff's site, recordmecca.com, go! His blogs have longterm value and his inventory is fascinating.
Plus you won't find a more caring and ethical dealer. Jeff's up there with the best.
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I’ve bought lots of rare photos from him. He was going to buy my hand written set list from me but I wouldn’t have made money on it. I would have broken even. He has to make money so it wasn’t worth it for me
but he is authentic for sure. And was very nice and honest
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Permalink Reply by itf on
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Story covered on the Word In Your Ear podcast too - https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzMi5mZWVkYnVybmVyLm...
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on
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...WHEN CNN PICKS UP YOUR STORY !!!
BOB DYLAN & HIS GANG OF FRUADSTERS TOTALLY EXPOSED!
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/bob-dylan-autographs-intl-scli/in...
WAY TO GO, AND BIG KUDOS TO ALL OF US IN THIS LITTLE COMMUNITY Steve Cyrkin MAKES POSSIBLE! LOOK WHAT WE DID ALREADY, AND LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!
SPECIAL SHOUT OUTS TO Jason H AND InkInvestor !
*****Keep digging...there's a lot more to come !!! *****
"Now, yonder stands a man in this lonely crowd A man who swears he's not to blame All day long I hear him shouting so loud
Just crying out that he was framedI see my light come shining From the west down to the east Any day now, any day now
I shall be released" (Bob Dylan)
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ah, shucks, thanks InkInvestor :)
+1 on what you said " I just want people to get their money back or made right. Nothing else matters regarding this.".
I want us to leave no stone unturned on this fraudster Bob Dylan, and get to the very bottom of ALL OF HIS FRAUD...
then we can all go back to researching for the latest autographs, and giving each other tips and leads !!!
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Exactly ! A refund and Twitter apology isn’t enough in my book I’ll be hounding Simon and Schuster CEO Jonathan Karp via email every day until one of us cracks and it won’t be me cracking ! Maybe anybody that wants what was originally promised does the same so his inbox has a thousand extra e mails a day - to make sure they and Mr Dylan’s team will do what The Twitter feed said last week - which was an immediate resolution. Resolutions mean all parties are happy and like most of us on here we’re not happy and won’t be until We get a signed item !
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