Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
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I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
firstname.lastname@example.org - Others have tried email@example.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
275 South Beverly Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Bob Dylan's Facebook
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
Media Publications who may be eager to pick up this story - Please email them a link to this post and all related content
Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Is it a legit auction house? I've heard a lot of charity auctions sell fake items.
Wait. What charity? Is it for Crohn’s disease?
Yes. The point is it is probably the most recent signature which he has produced .
Yes. It is. Ok guys. You need to stop. That’s his daughter in law for his grandson who has Crohn’s disease. Please. It’s legit. They run this every year. Smh.
This is too much.
and these charity items aren’t fake. Bob signed them.
maybe instead of jumping to conclusions look at the freaking auction. Read it. Look at previous years and you’ll notice Bob has stuff there every year. You’ll see his son with his wife and grandkids. And sometimes Jakob plays. Like I said before. If you’re sleuthing get the entire picture before you post. Don’t just run with i found a charity and they’re usually fake and look. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. You found his family’s charity. Good job.
I didn't say it was fake. I asked what auction house it was so I could look at it. If I had looked at it I wouldn't have asked what auction it was, and if I didn't look at it how would I know if it's fake or not?
I did say many charity auction items I've seen in the past (that have nothing to do with Dylan, and no I'm not talking about his autograph either, just charity items in general) are fake. People assume just because it's a charity auction everything is real. That goes for many things beyond autographs. That's why I asked what auction it was. If it's a well known auction that sells real stuff, then it's not a problem.
Could just post a link to the item rather than keeping thousands guessing.
Found it in about 3 seconds on google!
Oh, so it’s our fault
What? Your fault you can't type ' Bob Dylan Rough and Rowdy Signed' into Google? Don't know?
Instead of starting moaning at each other on here, why not take it out on the instigator of all this - BOB FRIGGIN' DYLAN and his fraudster team?
Castle and S&S and everybody else involved have had more than enough time to rectify this to a happy conclusion and i don't just mean refunds, which alot of people are still waiting on. Why not take your frustrations out on them ? Demand answers today or threaten Legal Proceedings - Just threatening should get the wind up them and get their arses into some sort of gear, even if it's bottom gear - instead of reverse !
That’s exactly how I found it.