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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan on December 21, 2022 at 9:22pm

I don't think anyone here truly wishes Mr Zimmerman dead, although he could easily pass for a display at Madame Tussauds.

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 21, 2022 at 11:28pm

Yeah Al did. Whatever 

“The sooner the old baztard croaks, the better humanity will be for it”

wtf

he did something wrong. I get it. I have about 27 grand invested in these prints. I’m not happy. I’m also not wishing him dead. Wtf is wrong with people. Karma doesn’t miss an address. 

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Permalink Reply by Al on December 22, 2022 at 2:37am

Well i'm not considered royalty worth half a billion, who scammed plebians out of literal millions of dollars by selling fake signed prints :) 

In the grand scheme of things, i'm confident the universe won't care too much about a few words uttered on an internet forum. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 21, 2022 at 9:01pm

Bobs writing he was a kid here but it reminds me of mondo scripto Bob 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 21, 2022 at 9:03pm

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Permalink Reply by Marky Molloy on December 22, 2022 at 3:01am

This 'Bob' in this teen signature is not far off the 'Bob' used in the earlier prints - Train Tracks and Woman in Red Lion of 2008, 2010, 2012 vintage. No prominent single or double loops.

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 21, 2022 at 9:04pm

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 21, 2022 at 9:05pm

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on December 22, 2022 at 10:06am

Had a further response from Castle today:

Thank you very much for your email and further comments. I appreciate your concerns and hope that the following explanations will provide you with comfort regarding the latest event.

I want to start by explaining that the relationship between an artist and his/her gallery is based and built on trust and transparency, without which they cannot collaborate harmoniously. It is therefore a regular and common practice in the artworld for the gallery to rely on the artist’s declaration of authenticity of the prints he/she produces ,signs and deliver for further promotion and sale by the gallery. This trust, built on years of experience, collaboration and shared values and interests is at the very basis of their relationship. We have never been let down in this way by any artist in over 40 years of working with over 100 artists and we consider the unique case with Bob Dylan during the pandemic period to be an extraordinary exception which, as you know, we are committed and in the process of fully rectifying.

As for which prints have been autopen signed and which signed by him :

1.All Dylan prints ever released to date, except for the Retrospectrum Collection 1 and 2 and Sunset monument Valley editions, were produced and hand signed prior the pandemic.

2.Dylan personally (not his team) clearly says in his two public statements that, except for the Retrospectrum Collection 1 and 2 and Sunset monument Valley (which were signed during the pandemic and which he has admitted to using an autopen ) all other prints were signed by him.

In his first statement at the end of the first paragraph he says:

“ I’ve hand signed each and every art print over the years , and there’s never been a problem.” (my emphasis)

And in his second statement the last sentence of reads:

 “All the prints going forward will be personally hand signed by me as I have done in the past.” (my emphasis)

These are very clear statement from Dylan, when read in the context of the full statements, that he personally hand signed all prints before the pandemic and it’s clear that his use of an autopen was limited to a signing the three named edition series above during the pandemic and no other. He is as unequivocal about personally signing all earlier prints as he has been transparent in admitting to those he did not.  

I hope the above help to further clarify the events and gives you with sufficient explanation to the true position.We regret that we cannot accept that there has been any breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015. If you wish to persist with this claim, I should be grateful if you could specify which part of the Act you believe has been breached and how.

Once again, we apologise for any worry or inconvenience caused and we are always available for further discussion if you so wish. 

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Permalink Reply by Marky Molloy on December 22, 2022 at 10:43am

Hi Eugene,

• Was this signed by Ian W-B or an individual? Otherwise, Castle may have now decided to try to take a consistent, corporate stand. Battening down the hatches.
• I think Castle is concerned or you would not have got this lengthy response. Have you taken out the case concerning just Castle's approach over the refunds for Retrospectrum prints - or others too?
• It's obvious now that Castle never got near your 'bottom-line' (supervision etc). It relied entirely on just 'trust' - and still does concerning Dylan's latest statement. You might not wish to answer this, but do you still plan legal action? (I don't think I will or can because I will be accepting the refunds).
• There might be a legal case elsewhere: with scepticism/negativity now about his 2020/21 releases (during lockdown) and even earlier sets. But it might require a legal 'heavy-hitter' to get involved and some substantive evidence  - not fulminations on internet boards.

Thank you, Jason, Steve Cyrkin for your digging away.

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on December 22, 2022 at 10:54am

- It is direct from Ian WB

- I have two 2020 Mondo Scripto pieces so personal focus is on these but with obvious mind to the potential wider issue impacting other pieces.

- Í’ll be taking legal advice, but I personally believe the case here meets at least two of the three tests for a breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, goods should be “As described” and “Of satisfactory quality”.

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Permalink Reply by Marky Molloy on December 22, 2022 at 11:09am

• Direct from Ian W-B: that reflects concern maybe that you could be the legal thin end of a wedge.
• I have an Asia piece from 2021 - it drops into the lockdown era with the 2020 Mondo Scripto prints. So, I for one, remain interested in what you hear legally. For me, 'due diligence' and Castle have not gone together in any legal shape or form. (I'm not a lawyer though).
• So 'as described' and 'of satisfactory quality' may be a good approach.

Just 'trust' with Bob ... hmmm ... I still think he is a fantastic songwriter, sometimes been a great performer and his painting has got better and better. But as for trusting him ...

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