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Odd Harrison QE 2 menu on eBay

While we're on the subject of George, how about this oddity currently on eBay with a start price of $1,500.

If it were genuine it would be great but I have pretty major doubts. It seems to be trying a bit too hard and there some very odd flowery bits. Parts of the inscription actually look more like Ringo's work (e.g. the "To"). Another big problem is that George was probably not on the ship on the menu date (2 September 1971). According to a blog I saw (that may be wrong of course) he boarded the ship on 22 September. If the dates are right, I hardly think George would have been asked to sign a three week old menu.

Thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 8:42am

Are you a liner collector? This menu would have actively NOT been wanted and likely discarded - saved by a waiter yet? I can not ignore these facts.

"I see a live Beatle! Let me run to my cabin and get a three week old menu from another crossing for him to sign instead of grabbing one of the hundreds right here in front of me that are relevant..."

Some say it is large, some say that or that about the inscription, this date is bothering several people, the price has been reduced. Why bother with an item with such a triad of oddness? Good price?

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on September 27, 2017 at 9:02am

Yup!! Time to move on!!

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 9:06am

Indeed. This item presents questions that are a problem to some. What is the upside?

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on September 27, 2017 at 8:41am

This is what I mean when people tend to over think on this!! It's authentic and that's what matters. People get the dates wrong on certain things all the time!!!

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 8:45am

When Harrison was onboard seems established, the date on the menu is three weeks earlier from a different crossing - how was this "remembered wrong"? Not following you here.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 9:15am

I don't believe your example is quite analogous.

What can I say - the menu does not belong there. It was NOT wanted there, actively. That needs explanation to my thinking.

Again - "I see a live Beatle! Let me, a waiter, run to my cabin and get a three week old menu from another crossing for him to sign instead of simply grabbing one of the hundreds right here in front of me that are relevant..."

Or I am to believe the waiter saved menus from previous crossings even though they were immediately discarded?

It's a problem. I prefer to be ...cautious. Taken in tandem with the other issues raised - why bother?

Yes, I have heard rumors that authenticity is paramount. Like logic.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on September 27, 2017 at 9:19am

"Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!!!"

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 9:21am

Well, at least we feel the same way! ;)

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 9:29am

"Hahahaha...you simply can't move past the date...if the date was correct and the signature was wrong, it'd probably make you happier....you have no idea if it's authentic or not, you are solely concerned with the date of the
Menu...let's just leave it there...all the best." - Beatleworld

Nor should I.

No, don't speak for me. This is not personal for me - seems to be to you. Sorry. All the best.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 27, 2017 at 9:30am

The autograph is unusual, but it looks real. Humans do all sorts of unexpected things. Maybe the crew member who got it signed found an older menu laying around and used that instead of a current menu.

If the menu was dated weeks after George sailed, then that would really be a head-scratcher.

If the serious Beatles collectors here don't think it's an issue at all, they're likely right. They certainly are seriously careful about authenticity.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 27, 2017 at 9:40am

Perhaps, Steve. Certainly agree about humans. I don't know how to say "an outdated menu is ACTIVELY not wanted by a waiter in the dining room on a Cunard liner" any clearer than I can speculate why one of the hundreds of current menus of the day would not be used, or why a waiter would save something so common they are discarded everyday.

I'll rephrase. The autograph and menu date present as unusual. That is enough for me to pass.

I still believe if this menu had the correct date that aligned with Harrison's actual time aboard and not a previous crossing in the other direction this item would garner more interest if all liked the signature. If I had a July 14th 1939 NYWF Daily, also quite disposable and useless apart from the day, signed by Mickey Rooney and Rooney visited on the 28th, I might expect some questions.

No, not Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland.