Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
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I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
firstname.lastname@example.org - Others have tried email@example.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
275 South Beverly Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Bob Dylan's Facebook
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
I do not think anyone suggested it was not legitimate. Someone asked on here does anyone have a signature which Bob has done recently. Well this may be the most recent
Lol uh huh. Go read the comments in succession.
“I genuinely hope it’s true”
”What auction house is it? Charities usually sell fake items”
if we just looked who it was ….. instead of all the guessing. You didn’t even post a link to the auction. I googled it and then saw it was them. I debated posting said link. You missed the book.
Unless they quit their job, or didn't want to do it because of covid, or some other reason, or they died... or maybe Bob figured it was cheaper to buy an autopen machine than pay a salary. He's obviously greedy and doesn't seem to care about screwing anyone. Not saying it's likely, but saying there's possibilities.
Then they would have hired a new one.
Then there would be a whole new signature style which could cause issues, and another salary to pay. Much easier to just get an autopen machine, especially if you believe his excuse that he thought those were commonly used and perfectly fine.
Just like Gleason. Every time he moved he got a new secretary and a new signature! Early Miami signatures 1961/62 are a mess.
That could explain Dylans signature changing so many times lol.
we need to find a whistleblower
Oh god. He’s not sick. Maybe he had a bout of vertigo like people get but he’s freaking fine.
We are not assuming anything - we only go after what is advertised.
When it seas «hand signed by Bob Dylan» it has to be that, if not it is fraud. Plain and simpel
If you see the responds this has gotten you understand that what he did was illigal. I know he is odd, but I cant say that I expected him to comit fraud to make a few extra millions.
I dont care what he belives or not - it IS fraud., and to be honest I belive he understand it might be wrong to sign something with a machine and then state himself online that it is "hand signed by Bob Dylan" - he might be greedy, but he aint stupid.
But what goes around in his had has realy know interest. The interesting thing is that we found out about this and now he must pay the publisher and art galleries millions in compansation