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Beatles-Signed Abbey Road Albums: What's Real? What's Fake?

Sometimes you just have enough. Brian Waring, a collector from Colorado, was one such fellow. He tried to sell a Beatles-signed Abbey Road and a Stones-signed Sticky Fingers album on eBay, but his listings were kicked-off because they thought they were forgeries. He was sure eBay was wrong—he paid tens of thousands of dollars for them from American Royal Arts, who claimed to be the world's largest seller of signed rock and roll. James Spence Authentication was at a local show, so he asked them to authenticate the albums to prove to eBay they were genuine.

When Brian came back to pick up his albums with JSA COAs, JSA sat him down and gave him the bad news—they were sure neither one was real.

Brian was shocked. ARA was a big, respectable-looking company, and the albums came with authentication papers from Christopher Morales, a court-approved forensic document examiner. But soon he realized JSA was right, so he contacted ARA, sure they would honor their guarantee of authenticity.

All he got was the runaround. So Brian told his story on Autograph Magazine Live! a few weeks ago, to warn other collectors, and, he hoped, get ARA president Jerry Gladstone's attention.

Brian got more than the attention of Gladstone and other collectors. He got a call from the FBI. And it wasn't until he started blogging about it that Gladstone seemed to take honoring ARA's guarantee seriously.

Brian took his blog posts down yesterday, because a refund from ARA seems to be forthcoming. He feels like he's done his part. I agree. Autograph is investigating the FBI's communications in the industry further and will report on them soon. But this is a great opportunity to talk about Beatles-signed Abbey Road albums, and a bit about signed Beatles albums in general.

Abbey Road is one of the favorite Beatles albums of all time. And like all Beatles albums besides Please Please Me and With the Beatles, complete band-signed albums are extremely rare: Only two known examples are recognized as genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

Lizzie Bravo got one of them signed. An "Apple Scruff"—one of the storied girls who were the ultimate Beatles fans—Lizzie was a 15 year old Brazilian teenager who moved to London with her family in 1967 and spent every free moment in front of Abbey Road Studios and more to be as close as she could to the boys she loved. "They Came in Through the Bathroom Window" was inspired by one of the Apple Scruffs, who entered Paul's house through an open window to see him.

But Lizzie was invited into Abbie Road Studios at least once. The Beatles needed girl back-up singers while recording "Across the Universe" in 1967. Paul didn't want to wait for professionals, so he went to the Scruffs waiting outside and asked if anyone could sing. Lizzie said yes...and the rest is history.

Cathy Sarver got the other one signed. Cathy was an American girl who hightailed it to London to meet the Beatles once out of high school. Both got them signed only by hanging out, relentlessly, outside Abbey Road Studios. Well, usually outside.

Abbey Road was released in September 1969, but the photos I have of Lizzie and Cathy are earlier.

Two 1967 photos of Lizzie with John Lennon:


Here's Cathy with each of the Beatles in 1968:






Lizzie and Cathy were in England when Abbey Road came out, so they bought the English release of the album. The English version had a slick, lacquered cover that you had to dig into to sign, so the autographs on both of them are rougher than they would be on American release albums, which had cheaper, lightly coated covers.


I don't have Lizzie's entire album, only the signatures:


John Lennon and Paul McCartney's autographs


George Harrison's autograph


Ringo Starr's autograph


Here's Cathy Sarver's Abbey Road album, signed by the entire band:


The stain in the lower left corner by George Harrison's autograph is from Cathy's cat peeing on it.

The Abbey Road albums above are the only ones called genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

But like all Beatles albums, that doesn't stop people from selling Abbey Road albums they claim are signed by the Beatles—experts be damned. Some of the most common ones that are not considered genuine are the ones known as Southern California forgeries, because that's where they appear to originate from. Most are fairly easy for experts to identify by the characteristics of the signatures. And the signature characteristics generally don't change much or at all with the age of the albums, whereas Beatles autographs changed significantly over time. Of course, an album can be signed years later than its release, or one autograph at a time over a decade or more. But when signed albums come out through the same sources, sold by the same dealers, with similar autographs, whether they're 1963 or 1970 releases, you have to ask...what the heck is going on?

One of the more common and easiest to detect characteristics of the ones called Southern California forgeries can be found in John Lennon's autograph. John Lennon didn't start drawing his smiling face caricature until about 1971, but many of the Southern California examples have it, often with the inscription "With love" or "With love from." But if you're not a pro, don't try to authenticate Beatles or any expensive autographs yourself. It's worth the money to have them checked out by a respected music authenticator.

This is the Abbey Road album that Brian Waring bought from American Royal Arts, stereotypical of what's considered to be a Southern California forgery:



These are the seven very similar
Abbey Road albums that we know American Royal Arts offered from 2006 to 2009, all with the classic characteristics of what are thought to be Southern California forgeries. There likely are others we haven't seen:





We've identified the person who purchased this forged Abbey Road album from American Royal Arts. He's currently trying to get a refund on about $80,000 or more in what he has found to be fake memorabilia from ARA. Not just autographs, but posters as well.




The one right above was featured in an ad that American Royal Arts ran in Newsday in 2008, with the headlines:

HISTORIC BEATLES COLLECTION RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC!
Over 40 Years to Assemble—Can be Yours Today!


Here's a close-up of the Abbey Road album featured:


American Royal Arts customers who ask are generally told that ARA's classic rock autographs come from "record industry insiders who wish to remain confidential." If I sold ARA these autographs, I would, too.

But Gladstone fails to tell collectors what he told me two years ago. I confronted him with an image of a Beatles-signed Help lobby card from Forever Legends' Web site that was on page one of his catalog a few months later. He called me to explain that he couldn't get enough autographs from his "industry insiders," so he had to buy from dealers, too. Unfortunately, the three main dealers he bought classic rock autographs from are known as notorious sellers of forgeries:

  • Forever Legends www.foreverlegends.com: Owned by Maria Brockway
  • Heroes and Legends www.heroesandlegends.net: Owned by Myron Ross, who we kicked out as an advertiser in Autograph magazine and was later expelled from the UACC Registered Dealer program for selling forgeries.
  • Autograph Central www.autographcentral.net: Owned by Bryan Slaven, who was also expelled from the UACC for selling forgeries. We kicked them out of the magazine when we realized they were a problem, but unfortunately we didn't know until later that Slavin was booted from the UACC years before.

Gladstone told me over a year later in a three-way phone call last summer with another dealer that he had stopped buying from Forever Legends because he realized I was right—their autographs couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that ARA informed and issued refunds to their customers who bought the music and vintage Hollywood autographs that Gladstone bought from Forever Legends. At least the owner of the "Beatles-signed" Help lobby card hadn't been last I heard.

I'd be surprised if any of ARA's autographs came from so-called industry insiders. ARA sold Beatles albums for about $12,000 to $25,000, virtually all US releases that I know of. There are only about a dozen band-signed US label Beatles albums known, and they'd be easy to sell for $80,000 to $100,000 or more. As would many of the 20 or so UK release band-signed Beatles albums from Hard Day's Night on. (Please Please Me and With the Beatles are more common. There are perhaps 50-75 of the former known, and 15-20 of the latter). This doesn't mean that's all the signed Beatles albums that exist. These are all that are known that Beatles experts believe are genuine. While it rarely happens, every now and then a new band-signed Beatles album is discovered, and that's likely to continue well into the future.

It makes you wonder:

  • Why would people sell their autographed albums for such cheap prices to ARA or their suppliers, when with a few calls or emails they could find out what they're worth?
  • Why would the dealers Gladstone admitted he bought from sell them so cheap if they thought they were genuine? They know the market.
  • If Gladstone really thought the albums he offered were genuine, why would he sell them for cents on the dollar and pay expensive overhead, sales and marketing costs when he could put them in auction or sell them to dealers for many times more?
  • And why would he tell people he bought from record industry insiders and only admit to me that he bought from dealers once we called him on it? Why didn't he tell the truth?

If you've bought signed albums from American Royal Arts, or any dealer operating similarly, these are questions I would ask.

They're not alone. Here's a signed Abbey Road album on the Web site of Rock Star Gallery, with the same signing characteristics of all the ones that ARA has:


And here's a "Beatles-signed" Please Please Me album from Rock Star Gallery, which came out in 1963, with the same signature characteristics. It was only a UK release, so I don't know why the signatures look so good, since it came with a lacquered cover like UK Abbey Road albums. Perhaps the cover was treated so the ink would stick better or it's the pens they used:



But these aren't the only two dealers with similar autographs. Here's a White Album currently listed at Rockin Gems for only $4,995. I found more that looked similar on other sites, but they were too small to tell for sure:

There's only one known genuine White Album. It's worth over $100,000 and this isn't it.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Whether you're looking to buy a signed Beatles album or bought one; whether it's an Abbey Road or any other Beatles album; unless you know for a fact the album is genuine, please learn from this and take heed. Make sure what you're considering buying is genuine. Make sure what you own is too. That's what experts are for.

If you'd like input, advice, or you know you've been stung, email me and I'll be happy to help. And no, I don't have any signed Beatles albums for sale. I don't even sell rock and roll.

Update: We just found another Beatles-signed Abbey Road album from ARA with the same characteristics, but no Lennon caricature. That's nine total with Brian's. Here it is:




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Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 17, 2010 at 11:44pm
Travis, they were trying to sell STAT but it seems like no one wanted it, because it's folding.
Comment by Josh Board on June 18, 2010 at 1:32am
Someone asked "how can these people sleep at night?" Well, I will give you a few examples of how they can.

When I got my Sgt. Pepper record signed by all the Beatles (with the Lennon I bought, which SOME say is fake)...I was going backstage to get Ringo at a concert. It was on a military base, and the MP standing nearby, was Sgt. McCartney. I laughed, thinking he had that name badge made up,b ecause it combined Paul McCartney and Sgt. Pepper. He said "No, it's my real name." And he begged, begged, begged me to get him Ringos autograph. I told him I'll be lucky if he signs my SGt. Pepper record, and don't want to push my luck. Not to mention, that if I was going to ask for a SECOND autograph, it would be for me (to keep or trade), not for someone I just met.
Well, my friend snuck backstage with me (you can read about it all in Autograph Magazine somewhere), and as we're walking to the car, we see Sgt. McCartney. My friend stops...and takes the tour program or something like that. He writes on it: Hey Sgt. McCartney -- Thanks for protecting this fine country. You're the real STAR, Sincerely, Ringo Starr."
My friend was laughing hysterically (and he did a spot-on Ringo signature). I told him it was f****d up to do that, and he said to me sternly "Why? If this guy is going to turn around and sell it, he'll find out it's bogus and who cares. If he's going to keep it, and treasure this item, he has a story to tell his grandkids and something he can look at and be proud of."

I think the people that do the forgeries and sell them, kind of have the same logic. THey tell themselves -- what the buyer doesn't know, won't hurt them. And I'm making money in the process. It's flawed logic, and to us, it's really no different than stealing money. But not to them.

I had a childhood friend, who went thru my valuable sports card collection when we were roommates in our early 20s, and stole some of my best cards (kareem abdul jabbar rookies, walkter payton rookies, etc). I could never "prove" it in a court of law, so I got my own revenge (details available upon request). And, when he once admitted to me stealing sports cards from his own brother (that should've been a red flag for me then), he justified it by saying "He has collected these cards since he was 5, and he doesn't even know what he has. He didn't know he had 5 Joe Montana rookie cards, so....now he only has 2. Big deal."
Comment by CJCollector on June 18, 2010 at 3:53pm
Josh, my comment was a sarcastic one but I appreciate your insight and observation. Many of us have been writing and exposing forgeries for many, many years. You are absolutely correct when you write about sellers of forgeries flawed thinking that "What a buyer doesn't know, won't hurt them." There was a crooked seller on Ebay that I exposed on my YouTube videos. He sold over $30,000 in forgeries within a three month period. When he discovered my videos on him he was going in every direction to defend himself. But he also wrote "It really doesn't matter who signs it as long as the customer is happy." Is that incredible or what! This also emphasizes just how infected the hobby is with forgeries. Think about this; one seller alone sold over $30,000 in forgeries on Ebay. One seller!!!! I can go on Ebay at any given time and find 100 sellers selling at least 100 forgeries. Think about that.
Comment by Susanne Blennerhassett on June 22, 2010 at 11:02pm
Here I was thinking I was just having a rant and all of a sudden I have coined a new phrase "Autograph Mafia". I suppose that's truly what they are. I just hate it when (as a dealer) somehow you get that Mafia 'sicked' on you.
Comment by CJCollector on June 29, 2010 at 6:23pm
Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 1, 2010 at 9:04am
Chris,

The top one on your list, authenticated by Morales, is by the Southern California forger.

The second one, the baseball, also authenticated by Moraels, is by his grandson, the Kindergarten forger.
Comment by CJCollector on July 1, 2010 at 12:33pm
One day we'll see something happen. One day...
Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 1, 2010 at 1:23pm
Since no representatives of American Royal Arts or Jerry Gladstone have stated their positions or argued against those of mine or others in this blog, even though I offered for them to do so, I want to let you know that they disagree with much if not all of what's been said, particularly by me.

I received a six page letter from one of ARA's attorneys via email last Friday claiming that negative things I've said about their clients are not true, and demanding that I remove and retract all false, damaging or defamatory statements and videos in which I've said things about them, those they work with, or the autographs ARA has offered for sale or sold, and to cease making further such statements.

I want everyone to know this so you don't assume that their public silence on the postings here in any way means that they agree with what has been said. That is anything but the case. If you want to hear their positions, I encourage you to contact them directly.

But I also want you to know that I am comfortable with everything I've ever published in Autograph magazine or on any of our Web sites regarding ARA and Jerry Gladstone, that I didn't make any of these statements without first doing my research, and that I would not retract a word of it. Further, I stand behind everything I said to the TV shows ABC News 20/20 and Inside Edition.

I'll be responding to ARA and Gladstone's attorney directly in the next few days, but I wanted to let you know that they couldn't disagree more with much of what I've said.

Thanks,

Steve Cyrkin
Publisher
Autograph
Comment by CJCollector on July 1, 2010 at 1:34pm
Steve, well done!!! We cannot allow anyone to intimidate us in our battle to try to keep the hobby clean. It's an ongoing battle and can be discouraging at times, but it also means we cannot stop. I, myself, am very proud of Steve for taking a stand and not withdrawing. There are a few of us (Steve included) who are pressured on a daily basis to give it up. We will not "give it up." I am so fed up with hearing the description:

Court-Qualified Forensics Examiner!!! Give me break!!!!
Comment by Alexander Mehl on July 1, 2010 at 2:55pm
Hi Steve,

great job and highly appreciated.

Have here approx. 15 ebay members who tried to sell one of the "famous" Southern California Beatles fakes. What do you think to contact these fakesellers and show this webpage?

By the way: Is it possible to contact Dizzie Bravo regarding the cancelled ebay auctions with sigs of George Harrison? It would be nice if Dizzie shows in this blog the sigs.

Thank you for a short response.

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