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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2018 at 11:08am

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Permalink Reply by Invest_In_Graphs on May 28, 2018 at 11:27am

Close, but not close enough.  I notice some obvious problems but I choose not to elaborate.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2018 at 11:45am

Agreed.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Juice on May 30, 2018 at 11:37am

Here is Probstein123's contact info -- in case someone wants to ask him where he is getting all these Beatle's forgeries from:

Rick Probstein, PO Box 1079, Clifton, NJ 07014

rickprobstein1@gmail.com

973 747-6304

(this is public information by the way)

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 30, 2018 at 11:53am

Thanks, Bruce. Just to be clear, only the photo in the OP and Abbey Road LP are from Probstein123.

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Permalink Reply by Mike White on May 31, 2018 at 10:09pm

Don't you think it'd serve a lot better to find out why PSA is consistently certifying bad Beatles forgeries?

The hobby has built a myth that PSA & JSA are among the most trusted names in authentication. I don't fault anyone for buying into it.

The fault lies solely with the companies for perpetuating it while failing to actually do their job.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 31, 2018 at 10:59pm

This particular issue appears to be related to PSA losing their lead authenticator. I'm not aware of any SoCal forgeries that were authenticated during Grad's time there. Of course, it's possible that it happened and I just haven't seen it.

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Permalink Reply by Mike White on May 31, 2018 at 11:26pm

Regardless of what caused them to start doing it, the problem is, IMO, that they're doing it--not that people take them at the word & believe that they're actually doing the job that they hold themselves out as experts at.

I think Probstein could actually stand to learn about the hobby that they're engaging in, but, short of that, they're doing what I'd do in that situation--hiring the experts and taking them at their word that they're doing their job.

That they aren't actually experts, or aren't experts any longer, is a problem with PSA, not the people who buy into the myth.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on June 1, 2018 at 9:49am

I think it would depend on the level of specificity provided by the person questioning the item. If it's very specific information, the seller wouldn't necessarily have be knowledgeable about the subject, and could at least ask a second expert. Any seller with this amount of experience understands that these TPAs aren't perfect. At some point, it's simply taking advantage of someone else's mistake.

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Permalink Reply by wascher on February 19, 2019 at 3:21am

Has anyone ever pinpointed exactly WHO the So CA forger is?  Just curious.

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Permalink Reply by Invest_In_Graphs on February 19, 2019 at 3:23am

That could be libel / slander, and expose one to civil liability. 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on February 19, 2019 at 3:39am

Read my question again.

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