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Authenticity is Everything
What do you think of Beckett Authentication? Help me understand.
I sent Beckett Authentication a very nice Emma Watson 8x10 which I paid a whole bunch for from UK Dealer. They found it to be Authentic. #16675743 Type the certificate number in it at Beckett it says that it's an encapsulated picture of Emma Watson. #16675743. For now.
They sent Emma Watson back to me yesterday March 25. I thought it was going to arrive encapsulated. Instead Emma came with a letter saying that it is not authentic. But wait, Beckett authenticated it gave it a certificate #16675743 mailed it back to me without a certificate, without being encapsulated and told me it was not real.
So if you go and type #16675743 in at Beckett right now it'll still say Emma Watson Encapsulated, until they decide to hide their mistake by making it disappear.
No one from Beckett will contact me to help me correct this yet. So I ask you what good is it having a company like Beckett Authentication when these kinds of things happen?
Tags: Authentication, BAS, Beckett, Emma, JSA, PSA, Watson, fake, real
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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I know I wouldn't buy it. JSA papers do not make something authentic. Below are two certain forgeries certified by JSA. I do my own research and have my own skills. It is the best defense. Relentless neverending self education.
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Permalink Reply by JK on
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You are choosing to believe the words that are what you want to hear. JSA says yes, so you believe them (what did Beckett say? I don't think you actually told us). And if you've already gotten the COA that confirms your wishes, then why did you submit to another authenticator?
As for the Beckett invoice, there are a few things going on there. Is that a final invoice, or was it still in progress? Why doesn't Welles show a cert #? Why does it show two encapsulations? Why is the "result" column blank for both items?
In any case, only Beckett can answer those questions for you.
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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on
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The invoice I received in the mail says that neither of them are authentic. But the invoice that I posted is the one that is on my Beckett account online. It shows that Emma Watson is authentic with a certificate number. They have not changed the order online to match what I received in the mail.
I wanted to get Orson Welles encapsulated, that's why I sent it to beckett. I'd like to have him sealed in one of those 8x10 encapsulations.
So the invoice that I have posted is the one they have online still. But I received a very different one in the mail which does not match at all, although each of them do say that Orson Welles did not pass.
Beckett has got some explaining to do, yes.
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To me, "did not pass" is not necessarily the same as "not authentic".
When it comes to autograph authentication I prefer the criminal trial threshold of "beyond the shadow of a doubt", not the civil trial threshold of "preponderance of evidence".
There are forgeries, secretarials, and questionable authenticity - all of which should get a "did not pass".
I know all the feedback is tough yo hear. It would be for any of us. But you either have to be your own expert, or find experts you trust. And if there is disagreement among qualified people then that, to me, is a reason to steer clear of an item.
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I appreciate the advice JK. It's not difficult to take what you guys are telling me. It's why I come here, to get your thoughts good or bad. I really appreciate that you guys answer me at all. Even if it's not the answer I would like. I bought Orson Welles back in 2000 when the internet was still in its infancy. I found Daniel Cohen through the early RACC website, which is how I found many dealers. Back then Daniel Cohen was a trusted dealer with a great reputation. I did as much homework as I thought I could back in 2000. Good news, bad news, I'll take any input, insight or help I can get. Thank you.
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I suspect that we've all been there.
A few decades ago there was one particular dealer I worked with and I trusted and respected his insight. I shelled out $151 in one of his auctions for an item signed by Ronald Reagan.
I am certain that the dealer believed it was real, but I understand that in the ensuing years the pattern has come to be recognized as secretarial.
The consensus about certain particular autographs can evolve and change over time, i.e. Charlton Heston, Jackie Gleason, David Bowie (ongoing), etc.
So, an honest and educated collector/dealer can sometimes find themselves on the wrong side of an authentication years later.
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There's medicine in your words JK. Funny story, I met Charlton Heston in 2000. Here I am with my sister and Charlton. That was like a great day, I got to talk to him for about 15 minutes about "Touch of Evil" and "Soylent Green" mostly. And even though I could show the JSA this photo, they still didn't believe that the autograph he gave me that day was authentic. They took it with them from a show I was at in Chicago, after several weeks they finally did authenticat it. So you can go to the celebrity and have them sign for you and still have it be deemed not authentic by Beckett, the PSA and the JSA. Autograph Authentication seems like a sorted, wooly business. Thanks JK.
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Looks like Charlton was trying to put the moves on your sister. 😀
There are a LOT of disappointed people when it comes to Heston material - me included. Luckily I have a few that are likely within the range of acceptance.
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Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on
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Your point it well taken, but the criminal threshold is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Believe me nothing in the law is "beyond a shadow of a doubt." lol.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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That's beyond a reasonable doubt, not shadow. But they're pretty close.
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A Beckett-authenticated signature of Louisiana U.S. Senator Huey P. Long is a blatant stamped signature.
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