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John Lennon signed cut

This looks good to me, but I'm always a little wary of uninscribed cuts. Does anyone see any red flags?

Tags: Beatles, John, Lennon, The

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Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on May 2, 2024 at 10:40pm

The OP has the dots you often see at the top of John's loops but they all have a rather deliberate look about them (all at "5 mins. to 12.00" and of the same size). Also, I don't think you often see so many in one autograph.

Permalink Reply by Autographtastic on May 3, 2024 at 6:28am

Thanks for your thoughts. To be clear, are you suggesting the similarity is a good thing or that you believe it's a good copy of the autograph Ballroom posted? 

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on May 3, 2024 at 6:48am

Is either genuine?

Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on May 3, 2024 at 6:49am

The similarity is not thought to be a good thing in this case as doubts have been raised about the exemplar Ballroom posted. Personally, I see as many differences as similarities but something about the OP does bother me, in particular the ink dots (as per my post above). 

Permalink Reply by Autographtastic on May 3, 2024 at 6:51am

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not familiar with the Scream Magazine example, but assume that was discussed in another thread on here? If anyone has the link that would be appreciated. 

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on May 3, 2024 at 7:12am
Permalink Reply by Autographtastic on May 3, 2024 at 11:11am

Thanks!

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on May 3, 2024 at 7:22am

It is a long thread, it has no apparent conclusion (as many of the best threads) and some video data was removed that showed how one could take a signature, make a digital file and alter it with minor variations using software to create a new example signed by a plotter or other device with any pen. What I saw showed me that one could make yet another signature..

Permalink Reply by Autographtastic on May 3, 2024 at 11:12am

Jeez! I worry about the future of the hobby when tech is making things like that possible. 

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 5, 2024 at 4:28am

The 4 dots are in the same position on the H, L, and both Es. It does appear to be machine signed. We would need to see a large, sharp photo to be able to tell what they probably used. 

Permalink Reply by Autographtastic on May 3, 2024 at 11:13am

The OP sold for £460 + BP which means there was substantial doubt there. 

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on May 4, 2024 at 7:10am

could those dots indicate that these two signatures came out of the same machine?

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